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•  177 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   MIHRAN wrote:
  THE REP. OF LTB ARMAN GRIGORIAN SHOULD NOT ATTEND THAT MEETING HIS CANDIDATE LOST THE VOTES AND CAUSED GREAT PAIN TO OUR NATION CAUSING THE UNJUSTIFIED DEATH OF 8 INNOCENT PEOPLE.WHY THE ARMENIAN GOVERMENT HAS ACCEPTED THE PERESENCE OF MR GIRGORIAN ...IS IT PROTOCOL IF NOT HE SHOULD'NT BE ALLOWED LTB TRIED TO MAKE A COUP DETAT..
  MIHRAN
•  177 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   Avo wrote:
  Mr. Mihran from Canada. Above all. Turn off your ALLCAPS. It is rather annoying.
  If you are a concerned Armenian, I need you to ask a few questions and I want an answer. I will check frequently to hear what you have to say.
  1st: If your dad was beating and raping your mom every day, would you not interfere because you don't want to jeopardize their marriage? Would you not interfere because your dad is the one that brings food on the table and gives you $5 every day coming home from work? Interpret that in terms of the role of LTP and the Armenian government with the Armenian Citizens. You may think that LTP is destabilizing the country causing havoc. In the short run, that may be a blow to the Armenian Economy. In the long run, it is a movement that will strengthen the most important thing of all, our basic human democratic rights. By the way, LTP can't keep his movement moving if he didn't have the support of the 800,000+ citizens of Armenia as we saw in his protests.
  2nd: Explain to me October 27, the cold blooded killings of our country's heroes. As of today, there are no explanation from Robert Kocharian and the Armenian government. The only person who can provide information is Zhangiryan, who is in jail.
  3rd: Were the elections fair? We all know the answer is a big NO.
  4th: Did cops and the army shoot at the innocent people? If you say no, then you need to spend more time on YouTube. I have. I have seen it with my own eyes.
  5th: Is Freedom of Assembly, a major democratic right, taken away from our people today? Could it possibly be that the authorities are afraid of protests because they know the whole country will join the protests? Of course, We have already seen that happen after the elections.
  6th: Are there political prisoners in Armenia? Of course they are. They are improsioned for a coup d'etat. The word coup d'etat is the sudden, asked for overthrowing of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government. (wikipedia) I didn't see anyone with weapons trying to overthrow the government. The only weapons used was the ones used against the peaceful protestors on March 1. If you think sticks and stones are weapons, they may be, but you can't do a coup d'etat with sticks, stones, and poles. LTP is not trying to do a coup d'etat. He is trying to get Serzh to quit his presidency himself and go to trial along with his counterpart.
  I understand you are against LTP and it's because you are probably a dashnak or your family is a dashnak, however if anyone is against LTP they have every right not to vote for him. However, given the rigging of the elections, those rights were taken away from every Armenian citizen. LTP is trying to restore your right so you DON'T vote for him.
  I consider LTP a true hero and when he becomes president again and ends his term, he will be the hero of the century for all Armenians like Ataturk is to the turks and George Washington is to the Americans.
  I like to add that I am not affiliated with any political party and I am just a citizen of Armenia and America who believes in humanistic principles. As an Armenian American I believe in basic human rights of not just our people but every person in the whole world.
  I am waiting for your response.
•  176 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   Rafael wrote:
  Avo,
  Though I respect Mihran's quotes at times, I think he is anti-LTP because he is Dashnag. He saw from newspapers and TV how LTP booted the Dashnags and got mad. So he comprised a biased opinion of LTP. why biased? Because he himself wasn't there, he didnt see or witness why LTP banned the Dashnaks. If he was a insider of the party either HHSH or Dashnaks at that time, I would understand his point, but as a regular Armenian who didnt witness the political mess there, his opinions about LTP are baseless.
•  175 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   Philip Karayan wrote:
  Mihran, you lack basic sense and logic in your arguments.
  I will recommend that you read carefully (read them more than once)
  Avo's questions and once you think you have understood them then
  let us have your response. So long as you do not respond perhaps it is better also that you keep quiet for things you do not know. Moreover,
  you are so fanatic that you are carried away to spiting out a lot od
  jargon. Take it easy, try to be more objective in your assessment and
  I would hope you will eventually come up to a pragmatic evaluation of the
  political, social and economic situation of Armenia and Armenians
  during the past ten years under this brutal authoritarian regime
  (not to mention specifically the recent pre and post election atrocities carried out against innocent, unarmed and unprotected ARMENIANS).
  
•  175 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   Rafael wrote:
  I would also like to note the following: The illegal arrests that took place after March 1st and continue today have no significance with a government overthrow. The kocharyan gov't the Mr. Mihran supports claimed that they arrested people in connection with the March 1 violence. Karo Rubinian who is under arrest had accepted his right to assemble and didnt take part in the violence, but since he was part of the LTP party he was arrested. Ara Sahakian, who didnt attend the gatherings was arrested in the early morning and 14 members of the law enforcement stormed his house, arrested him without proper notice. Such actions bring a significant conclusiom, that the RK administration are negating the very societal order they claim they created.
  
  • Avo
    Mr. Mihran from Canada. Above all. Turn off your ALLCAPS. It is rather annoying.If you are a concerned Armenian, I need you to ask a few questions and I want an answer. I will check frequently to hear what you have to say.
    1st: If your dad was beating and raping your mom every day, would you not interfere because you don't want to jeopardize their marriage? Would you not interfere because your dad is the one that brings food on the table and gives you $5 every day coming home from work? Interpret that in terms of the role of LTP and the Armenian government with the Armenian Citizens. You may think that LTP is destabilizing the country causing havoc. In the short run, that may be a blow to the Armenian Economy. In the long run, it is a movement that will strengthen the most important thing of all, our basic human democratic rights. By the way, LTP can't keep his movement moving if he didn't have the support of the 800,000+ citizens of Armenia as we saw in his protests.
    2nd: Explain to me October 27, the cold blooded killings of our country's heroes. As of today, there are no explanation from Robert Kocharian and the Armenian government. The only person who can provide information is Zhangiryan, who is in jail.
    3rd: Were the elections fair? We all know the answer is a big NO.
    4th: Did cops and the army shoot at the innocent people? If you say no, then you need to spend more time on YouTube. I have. I have seen it with my own eyes.
    5th: Is Freedom of Assembly, a major democratic right, taken away from our people today? Could it possibly be that the authorities are afraid of protests because they know the whole country will join the protests? Of course, We have already seen that happen after the elections.
    6th: Are there political prisoners in Armenia? Of course they are. They are improsioned for a coup d'etat. The word coup d'etat is the sudden, asked for overthrowing of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government. (wikipedia) I didn't see anyone with weapons trying to overthrow the government. The only weapons used was the ones used against the peaceful protestors on March 1. If you think sticks and stones are weapons, they may be, but you can't do a coup d'etat with sticks, stones, and poles. LTP is not trying to do a coup d'etat. He is trying to get Serzh to quit his presidency himself and go to trial along with his counterpart.
    I understand you are against LTP and it's because you are probably a dashnak or your family is a dashnak, however if anyone is against LTP they have every right not to vote for him. However, given the rigging of the elections, those rights were taken away from every Armenian citizen. LTP is trying to restore your right so you DON'T vote for him.
    I consider LTP a true hero and when he becomes president again and ends his term, he will be the hero of the century for all Armenians like Ataturk is to the turks and George Washington is to the Americans.
    I like to add that I am not affiliated with any political party and I am just a citizen of Armenia and America who believes in humanistic principles. As an Armenian American I believe in basic human rights of not just our people but every person in the whole world.
    I am waiting for your response.
  
  
•  175 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   MIHRAN wrote:
  
  • Avo
    Mr. Mihran from Canada. Above all. Turn off your ALLCAPS. It is rather annoying.If you are a concerned Armenian, I need you to ask a few questions and I want an answer. I will check frequently to hear what you have to say.
    1st: If your dad was beating and raping your mom every day, would you not interfere because you don't want to jeopardize their marriage? Would you not interfere because your dad is the one that brings food on the table and gives you $5 every day coming home from work? Interpret that in terms of the role of LTP and the Armenian government with the Armenian Citizens. You may think that LTP is destabilizing the country causing havoc. In the short run, that may be a blow to the Armenian Economy. In the long run, it is a movement that will strengthen the most important thing of all, our basic human democratic rights. By the way, LTP can't keep his movement moving if he didn't have the support of the 800,000+ citizens of Armenia as we saw in his protests.
    2nd: Explain to me October 27, the cold blooded killings of our country's heroes. As of today, there are no explanation from Robert Kocharian and the Armenian government. The only person who can provide information is Zhangiryan, who is in jail.
    3rd: Were the elections fair? We all know the answer is a big NO.
    4th: Did cops and the army shoot at the innocent people? If you say no, then you need to spend more time on YouTube. I have. I have seen it with my own eyes.
    5th: Is Freedom of Assembly, a major democratic right, taken away from our people today? Could it possibly be that the authorities are afraid of protests because they know the whole country will join the protests? Of course, We have already seen that happen after the elections.
    6th: Are there political prisoners in Armenia? Of course they are. They are improsioned for a coup d'etat. The word coup d'etat is the sudden, asked for overthrowing of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government. (wikipedia) I didn't see anyone with weapons trying to overthrow the government. The only weapons used was the ones used against the peaceful protestors on March 1. If you think sticks and stones are weapons, they may be, but you can't do a coup d'etat with sticks, stones, and poles. LTP is not trying to do a coup d'etat. He is trying to get Serzh to quit his presidency himself and go to trial along with his counterpart.
    I understand you are against LTP and it's because you are probably a dashnak or your family is a dashnak, however if anyone is against LTP they have every right not to vote for him. However, given the rigging of the elections, those rights were taken away from every Armenian citizen. LTP is trying to restore your right so you DON'T vote for him.
    I consider LTP a true hero and when he becomes president again and ends his term, he will be the hero of the century for all Armenians like Ataturk is to the turks and George Washington is to the Americans.
    I like to add that I am not affiliated with any political party and I am just a citizen of Armenia and America who believes in humanistic principles. As an Armenian American I believe in basic human rights of not just our people but every person in the whole world.
    I am waiting for your response.
  
  Mr.Avo Mr Karayan
  It will be unfair to disregard your paragraphs.
  To underestimate your counterpart's skills of knowledge in any given language is simply impolite.to instruct is pure arrogance.It degrades your real values.
  I never spoke against LTB during his presidency,realising that our country has and is going through big sufferings,now that we are an independant nation we need to love and care about each other.all the good and the bad LTB did during his presidency,they were all acceptable for me.Had you followed me before the ellection campaigne started... you will have noticed a huge change in my thoughts.I simply do not understand(ANY LEADER WHOEVER THAT PERSON IS )using insults to explain his points.You should know what?i am talking about,even if all what is pointing out is 100% true.Protocol should be respected.This act by itself is (TAVAJANOUTIOUN).Philip knows because we have discussed this point a couple of months ago.
  Avo i am not 100% against LTB. may be you realize by now.I do not agree with sombody who have served his country once 2 terms and has given his best to come back to be a saviour.I simply do not believe in super heros.super heros do not exsist they are even counter productif.RK is not a hero,he did his best within his limitations.SS will try to do his best within his posibilities. we need to have a system that whoever is the president should be able to run the country as long as they perform whithin the constituion
  Using force aginst unarmed armenians:
  I do not approve the use of FORCE.My logic is simple.LTB used force and blood was running in the streets of Yerevan so did RK .( I ONLY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THEY BOTH RESORTED TO THAT EXTENT TO PREVENT A BIGGER CATASTROPHY) if this is not true,they should all face justice, because of abuse of power.And we as country do not have any reason to be independant .Simply because we do not know how respect each other within a democratic society.But do respect to serve humbly obeying instructions from above,an outside force .This is an ugly picture we need to OVERCOME.
  If you see any spelling mistakes or typo or the grammar that is not english, please be polite to disregard them.I think my english is at a communicational level.
  I did not answere you in point form it will look like we are having a needless argument .
  Mihran
•  175 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   MIHRAN wrote:
  
  • Avo
    Mr. Mihran from Canada. Above all. Turn off your ALLCAPS. It is rather annoying.If you are a concerned Armenian, I need you to ask a few questions and I want an answer. I will check frequently to hear what you have to say.
    1st: If your dad was beating and raping your mom every day, would you not interfere because you don't want to jeopardize their marriage? Would you not interfere because your dad is the one that brings food on the table and gives you $5 every day coming home from work? Interpret that in terms of the role of LTP and the Armenian government with the Armenian Citizens. You may think that LTP is destabilizing the country causing havoc. In the short run, that may be a blow to the Armenian Economy. In the long run, it is a movement that will strengthen the most important thing of all, our basic human democratic rights. By the way, LTP can't keep his movement moving if he didn't have the support of the 800,000+ citizens of Armenia as we saw in his protests.
    2nd: Explain to me October 27, the cold blooded killings of our country's heroes. As of today, there are no explanation from Robert Kocharian and the Armenian government. The only person who can provide information is Zhangiryan, who is in jail.
    3rd: Were the elections fair? We all know the answer is a big NO.
    4th: Did cops and the army shoot at the innocent people? If you say no, then you need to spend more time on YouTube. I have. I have seen it with my own eyes.
    5th: Is Freedom of Assembly, a major democratic right, taken away from our people today? Could it possibly be that the authorities are afraid of protests because they know the whole country will join the protests? Of course, We have already seen that happen after the elections.
    6th: Are there political prisoners in Armenia? Of course they are. They are improsioned for a coup d'etat. The word coup d'etat is the sudden, asked for overthrowing of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government. (wikipedia) I didn't see anyone with weapons trying to overthrow the government. The only weapons used was the ones used against the peaceful protestors on March 1. If you think sticks and stones are weapons, they may be, but you can't do a coup d'etat with sticks, stones, and poles. LTP is not trying to do a coup d'etat. He is trying to get Serzh to quit his presidency himself and go to trial along with his counterpart.
    I understand you are against LTP and it's because you are probably a dashnak or your family is a dashnak, however if anyone is against LTP they have every right not to vote for him. However, given the rigging of the elections, those rights were taken away from every Armenian citizen. LTP is trying to restore your right so you DON'T vote for him.
    I consider LTP a true hero and when he becomes president again and ends his term, he will be the hero of the century for all Armenians like Ataturk is to the turks and George Washington is to the Americans.
    I like to add that I am not affiliated with any political party and I am just a citizen of Armenia and America who believes in humanistic principles. As an Armenian American I believe in basic human rights of not just our people but every person in the whole world.
    I am waiting for your response.
  
  Addendum:
  Avo i know you will come back with a boulder on my head...let me explain further...
  before the ellection process started LTB made agressive statements not fit for an president,i rememebre writing...if indeed LTB does what he says will do the country plunge into a catastrophy,indeed my assumption turned out to be correct,this is the reason i use the word (tavajan) because LTB is not a kid he knows the power of words, and crimes happened ...
  The parliament massacre very sad issue:
  Do not tell me i am naive,it is a serios issue some of my hunchak friends accused RK the same day, it is very unlogic and childish to believe that kotcharian who was negotiating armistice to be conspirator at the same time . unless we armenians are all devils.it will be equally not logic to put the blame on LTB because he was asked to resigne . i beleive the goverment should come up with an explanation in due time when it is not any more a national security issue . we are hot blooded handfull of people , we need to be prudent in all our believes/actions , not to attack each other as if the opposer is a turk . I even hesitate to generalise the word turk because it's not true that every turk is an enemy they also have intelects and risponsible/reasonable people.
  Mihran
•  174 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   Rafael wrote:
  LTP was also counted as an intellectual even before his presidency...Has anyone asked why LTP resigned? The public knows because of his argument over karabagh, right? Well that's the was told to the public. The actual event was as follows...after disagreement over the karabagh issue, SS approached LTP and said if you dont resign I will bring thousands of karbaghtsis, hayastantsis to republic square and they will demand your resignation. LTP resigned because he DID NOT WANT BLOOD TO SPILL on republic square. You may argue with my point, but those who do should ask themselves of their sources. Now SS (rumors say he wanted to resign) could have resigned or called for reelection, but he didn't he knew people would die because of the way the election was handled, but he didn't resign and then came march 1. As I predicted SS nominated Seyran ohanian as defense minister. Other than being from karabagh (what a surprise), SO is a respected person...by the LTPs party. Should SO in the future try to pull a [serge] and go for the presidency to help keep the hardlining karabaghtsi dinesty, things might become even worse in Armenia