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   SASOUN wrote:
  Those...gypsis. They left the country and now pretend to be very concerned patriots. They are humiliating our country in Europe and USA... And they'll do this every 4 years... Just to show the world how UN-united we are. What is our weak point, how our enemies can use us. Those are like termites eating your home inside out.
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   Rafael wrote:
  Sasoun,
  Are you suggesting that Armenians should not voice their expression. Certainly you live in the US and know about the first amendment. Agree with them or not, they are entitled to freely express their concerns. Now the basis of their argument is another topic and can only be relevant if they indeed left the country because of the RK-SS team, and they view Serge's presidency as a continuation of such corruptive matter. These people are not humiliating our country especially to the US/Europe who are established socio-democratic regimes. Your opinion has no basis of a legitimate argument. Though I respect your opinion I questions its profesionalism
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   Rida wrote:
  I remember when LTP was president and EXPELLED Dashnaksutyun, Armenians gathered at Hollywood Church court and started collecting signatures TO SEND TO THE US CONGRESS TO STOP HELP TO ARMENIA.... We are politically Not Mature nation. I LIKED WHAT SASOUN WROTE. And Rafael, You are not a "Professional" Politician too, like all those people who are IN POLITICS, instead of minding their own business they hit the streets for months do destroy our name. This not Democracy The president has been elected. PERIOD. To make this big of an issue smells foreign intervention, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING RICH.
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   DEFENDKARABAKH wrote:
  TO SUPPORT LTP IS NOT TO SUPPORT DEMOCRACY OPEN YOUR EYES. HE WILL SELL ARMENIA TO JEWS AND TURKS. ARMENIA NEEDS STABILITY NOT A FAKE ORANGE REVOLUTION. LTP WOULD SELL HIS MOTHER IF HE COULD.
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   HerosakanHai wrote:
  
  • Rafael
    These people are not humiliating our country especially to the US/Europe who are established socio-democratic regimes.
  
  Are you in your mind? What ‘democracy ‘ about you are talking?
  USA population gave up. At least they are so intelligent they would never go to support Bush-Cheney, or Kissinger…Hollywood Armenians admire that ‘yogurt seller’ Nune Avetisian, and they are guided by political begets like her who work FOr CASH, NOT for principle. LTP is REGIME! IDIOT!
  
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   Rafael wrote:
  
  • HerosakanHai
    Are you in your mind? What ‘democracy ‘ about you are talking?
    USA population gave up. At least they are so intelligent they would never go to support Bush-Cheney, or Kissinger…Hollywood Armenians admire that ‘yogurt seller’ Nune Avetisian, and they are guided by political begets like her who work FOr CASH, NOT for principle. LTP is REGIME! IDIOT!
  
  Wow! what an intellectual you are calling me a idiot. First I'm saying the Armenians that are in USA protesting have the democratic right to do that...read the constitution, its not a issue of their support for levon, its a right given to them by the US. Your quote isnt making sense, and frankly there's no point in arguing with you as you present as certain bias based on your argument.
  
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   MIHRAN wrote:
  5000 Armenians is less than 1% of the American Armrenian population of the USA.Those Armenians who left their homeland during the ltb era and now are American citizens should be ashamed of themselves to demonstrate in support for their ex beloved president,although it's their democrtaic rights .
  Unfortunately all armenians and all ex soviet citizens other than a very small minority THESE VERY SMALL MINORITY WERE POOR AND VERY NAIV HARD WORKING PEOPLE. THE SMARTS THRIVED ON CORRUPTION. AMONG POLITICAL AND MILITARY REASOSNS ECONOMY WAS THE MAIN FACTOR OF THE COLLAPSE. so nobody who was brought up in that atmosphere (CAN WHITEWASH HIMSELF OR HERSELF)or have the legitimacy to critisize one another.Those who are...they are making foolS of themselves....Kotcharian with all his supposed brutality and mistakes is still far better than his predecessor at least for couple of reasosns .
  1-HE NEVER TOOK VACATIONS OUTSIDE ARMENIA.STATING MY ARMENIA IS BETTER THAN ANY WHERE ELSE.
  2-THE COUNTRY WAS VERY STABLE BY ALL ASPECTS OTHER THAN THANKS TO LTB'S PALE REVOLOUTION ON MARCH THE 1RST.
  3- HE CONTINUED UNTILL THE LAST MOMENT TO STRUGGLE FOR AN AGREEMENT ON (EQUAL FOOTING) FOR KARAPAGH AND THE GENOCIDE...
  WHEREAS WE KNOW WHAT LTB HAS IN MIND FOR THOSE SAME ISSUES
  MIHRAN
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   abcd wrote:
  As a witness will tell you that barely 850 were present and most were elderly over 65, who have nothing better to do at home...
  And to "A1+" editorial staff,- please do not missinform your readers.
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   Rafael wrote:
  I think the people in this forum need to read about what democracy and government is...they need to read about John Locke and Thomas Hobbes, instead of typing there baseless comments.
  I feel like Im in argument with fifth graders here. To suggest that people who've been oppressed in their homeland, and migrated to another country, have no right whatsoever to express their opinion regarding issues in their homeland is absurd.
  Rida, What you're suggesting is that accept the outcome and don't question it. If this is implemented how to you expect a country like Armenia to advance its notions of freedom. If there are no people (or organizations) to criticize a regime, then that regime will develop levels of oppression. Rida Im not a politician, I'm a individual who knows the difference between a normative statement and a positive one.
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   Rafael wrote:
  I will point out of Mihran that LTP initially wanted to give 15% of Azeri land back to them, and his cabinet strongly disagreed. The current plan that supposedly RK verbally agreed (through a timeline) as noted by the Azeri foreign minister, calls for Armenia to give the 15% land back. So with this issue, what LTP proposed is what now SS will sign.
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   Lily wrote:
  
  • SASOUN
    Those...gypsis. They left the country and now pretend to be very concerned patriots. They are humiliating our country in Europe and USA... And they'll do this every 4 years... Just to show the world how UN-united we are. What is our weak point, how our enemies can use us. Those are like termites eating your home inside out.
  
  Sasoun
  I totally agree with you. It is a shame how these people calling themselves MTAVORKANS don't even think clearly and the concequences that their protests may have on their and my country of Armenia. They want USA to do the same think that they have done to IRAQ. Stupid people like Rudik with his non-sense show gather people (notice mostly older adults who live in senior homes and have no other worries, that are brought to the protest sites by buses)and demand that their God Levon Ter-Petrosyan to become a President. They forgot that he has proven to be a terrible president for 6 years and that the current what they called political regium was established by him Levon Ter-Petrosyan. These MTAVORKANS don't have respect for anybody who tries to explain other ideas. They just want their Levon who is known to be a non-Christian to come back to his presidential chair. No one in that croud gives credit to Rober Khocharyan for even a small thing he had done for his country. They call him and Serge Sargsyan Turks without thinking that one day a similar crowd may call them (the protesters) Americans or Mexicans or whatever they want to call people living in US. Shame on that Anahit Martirosyan who first needs to go to school to learn that news is not just telling names and maybe broadcast a news that she won't contradict two weeks later. People watching her news should keep recorders to play back and maybe write down the names and understand that day after day she is repeating herself and changing the same news to fit the situation. Shame on all Armenians who fight against their race and religion. Levon Ter-Petrosyan should be aliminated for good of our country.
  
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   MIHRAN wrote:
  [quote=Rafael]I will point out of Mihran that LTP initially wanted to give 15% of Azeri land back to them, and his cabinet strongly disagreed. The current plan that supposedly RK verbally agreed (through a timeline) as noted by the Azeri foreign minister, calls for Armenia to give the 15% land back. So with this issue, what LTP proposed is what now SS will sign.[/quote
  RAFAEL
  IF IT'S ONLY 15% LAND BACK GOOD FOR US.I DO'NT THINK SO... LTB'S RECONCILIATION PLANS WITH TURKEY... DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ARMENIA SHOULD NOT GET INVOLVED AS A STATE AT ALL. THIS MEANS THAT LET THE DIASPORA MANAGE ALONE ULTIMATELY MEANING THAT TOO BAD WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED LET US FORGET ABOUT IT...YOU AS WELL AS I KNOW THAT DIASPORAN'S EFFORTS WITHOUT ARMENIA MEANS THE SAME AS THE PAST 82 YEARS....IF I AM WRONG PLEASE ADVISE ME OTHERWISE...
  MIHRAN
  
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   HerosakanHai wrote:
  
  • Rafael
    Wow! what an intellectual you are calling me a idiot. .
  
  I have to. becse you ARE NOT LIVING IN USA, or you wouldn't think that WRONG about what is a 'democracy' in USA/EU...there is no such thing. it is a verbal TRAP for IDIOTS!!!
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   DEFENDKARABAKH wrote:
  BRAVO MIHRAN ... IT COULD NOT BE PUT ANY BETTER
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   Նիկոլ փաջինյան wrote:
  Ընդհատակյա թերթ:
  Նիկոլ փաջինյան:
  Հարգելիներս ես կիւնդրեի ձեզ անգիր անեիք այս ձոներս որպեսզի հաջորդ ցույցին բոլորս երգենք:
  թող սա լինի մեր ազատության հիմնը:
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  Կոտորեցին իւեղճ ազգիս
  Դանթեն տեսավ զարմացավ
  փաիւուստի մեջ են մարդիք
  Հայաստանն է կորցանվում
  պայքար պայքար մինչև վերջ
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  -այս քառյակը կրկնում ենք երկու անգամ--
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  օտար աջիւարհն է լռում
  բայց մենք երբեք չենք լռի
  մեր կոչերը չեն կանգնի
  թեկուզ մեր սիրտնել մարի
  պաւքար պաւքար մինչև վերջ
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  -այս քառյակը չենք կրկնում երկու անգամ-
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  հերոսական ազգ ենք մենք
  մեզ դեմ ոչ ոք չի կանգնի
  կյանքը երբեք չի կանգնի
  քանի մենք դեռ գոչում ենք
  ազատություն ազատություն
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  -այս քառյակը կրկնում ենք երկու անգամ- որից հետո բոլորս միասին գոռում ենք
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  Լեվոն Լեվոն-2 վարկյան սպասում ենք և կրկնում Լեվոն Լեվոն Լեվոն Լեվոն .
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  նորից 2 վարկյան անց բոլորս միասին
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  Լեվոն նաիւագահ- 2 վարկյան հանգիստ- ՍեռԺիկ հեռացիր-ՍեռԺիկ հեռացիր:
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  ԵրաԺջտությունը կառաջարկեի վերցնել Ալա Պուգաչովայի որևիցե մի երգից:
  Ձեզ հարգող և ձեր մասին մտացող
  Նիկոլ փաջինյան:
  
•  185 days before |  remove (5) |  reply
   HerosakanHai wrote:
  
  • Նիկոլ փաջինյան
    Ընդհատակյա թերթ:Նիկոլ փաջինյան:
    Հարգելիներս ես կիւնդրեի ձեզ անգիր անեիք այս ձոներս որպեսզի հաջորդ ցույցին բոլորս երգենք:
    թող սա լինի մեր ազատության հիմնը:
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    Կոտորեցին իւեղճ ազգիս
    :
  
  flagrant
  
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   ARSHAK-10 wrote:
  Dear Raphael. The management of this pages kindly offer us the opportunity to express our ideas on this site. You Always trumpet DEMOCRACY. But ALWAYS ARGUE the others' ideas, and instead of telling us your own idea you keep attacking others' ideas and still shouting "DEMOCRACY". Well, Democracy is a HARD TO SWALLOW PILL... You HAVE TO listen to the others' ideas too... That's Democracy. I'm not talking against you NO. I'm just telling what i see for your Democracy's sake... In USA you always mention, the candidate that din't make it, CONGRADULATES THE WINNER AND GOES HOME. Not gather crowds and hit the streets shouting 'Paykar paykar minchev verj"... What is the "VERJ"... his own SELFISH DESIRES ????
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   Rafael wrote:
  Mihran,
  LTP has basically 2 initiatives:
  1. give back 15% of azeri land
  2. split the karabagh land (later proposed by Vazgen and Karen Demirchyan)
  The Azeri side has on numerous occations stated that Armenia has in fact verbally accepted steps to give the 'buffer zone' back.
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   Rafael wrote:
  
  • HerosakanHai
    I have to. becse you ARE NOT LIVING IN USA, or you wouldn't think that WRONG about what is a 'democracy' in USA/EU...there is no such thing. it is a verbal TRAP for IDIOTS!!!
  
  First please make use of proper sentences. And "im not living in USA?" I've been in this country for 16 years, was involved in 2 congessional compaigns, and have discussed local matters with local politicians. I think I qualify as a citizen that is an active participant in America's political arena. When one thinks of the notions behind democracy he/she cant think of it in absolute terms. Democracy is better defined as a measure of index, which usually is significant at the international level (google 'freedomhouse' as they measure international democracy)
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   Rafael wrote:
  
  • ARSHAK-10
    Dear Raphael. The management of this pages kindly offer us the opportunity to express our ideas on this site. You Always trumpet DEMOCRACY. But ALWAYS ARGUE the others' ideas, and instead of telling us your own idea you keep attacking others' ideas and still shouting "DEMOCRACY". Well, Democracy is a HARD TO SWALLOW PILL... You HAVE TO listen to the others' ideas too... That's Democracy. I'm not talking against you NO. I'm just telling what i see for your Democracy's sake... In USA you always mention, the candidate that din't make it, CONGRADULATES THE WINNER AND GOES HOME. Not gather crowds and hit the streets shouting 'Paykar paykar minchev verj"... What is the "VERJ"... his own SELFISH DESIRES ????
  
  I believe there is nothing wrong with arguing of ideas. I argue because most people in this forum define political terms in their opinion. They fail to make positive statements and rather engage in normative ones. In Armenia it is vital that people are allowed to protest, given the fact that their protest is peaceful and sanctioned. In Armenia, this is not the case, as recent protests are not sanctioned and people just crowd wherever they please. Though they have the right to assemble, that right should be within certain areas, so that they do not disrupt order.
  
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   HerosakanHai wrote:
  
  • Rafael
    . When one thinks of the notions behind democracy he/she cant think of it in absolute terms. level (google 'freedomhouse' as they measure international democracy)
  
  ‘Absolute terms’ when talking about week countries where insane population commits a military attack on authorities, and double standards when talking about ‘democracy’ in USA? Is it a ‘democracy’ to go to other countries and destroy them to ZERO GROUND . If you are USA citizen, you are A BAD ONE! We need people with mind not with stuffed head.
  
  
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   Rafael wrote:
  
  • HerosakanHai
    ‘Absolute terms’ when talking about week countries where insane population commits a military attack on authorities, and double standards when talking about ‘democracy’ in USA? Is it a ‘democracy’ to go to other countries and destroy them to ZERO GROUND . If you are USA citizen, you are A BAD ONE! We need people with mind not with stuffed head.
  
  Please don't mix constitutional rights with current foreign policy initiatives. When I speak of democracy I relate to America's internal structure. US's foreign policy is another matter. My government doesn't seem to think Im a bad citizen.lol.
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   DEFENDKARABAKH wrote:
  WHY DONT YOU GUYS SING HALF THE SONG IN HEBREW AND THE OTHER HALF IN TURKISH, IT SUITS YOU MUCH BETTER...
  • Նիկոլ փաջինյան
    Ընդհատակյա թերթ:Նիկոլ փաջինյան:
    Հարգելիներս ես կիւնդրեի ձեզ անգիր անեիք այս ձոներս որպեսզի հաջորդ ցույցին բոլորս երգենք:
    թող սա լինի մեր ազատության հիմնը:
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    Կոտորեցին իւեղճ ազգիս
    Դանթեն տեսավ զարմացավ
    փաիւուստի մեջ են մարդիք
    Հայաստանն է կորցանվում
    պայքար պայքար մինչև վերջ
    ----------------------------------
    -այս քառյակը կրկնում ենք երկու անգամ--
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    օտար աջիւարհն է լռում
    բայց մենք երբեք չենք լռի
    մեր կոչերը չեն կանգնի
    թեկուզ մեր սիրտնել մարի
    պաւքար պաւքար մինչև վերջ
    ---------------------------------
    -այս քառյակը չենք կրկնում երկու անգամ-
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    հերոսական ազգ ենք մենք
    մեզ դեմ ոչ ոք չի կանգնի
    կյանքը երբեք չի կանգնի
    քանի մենք դեռ գոչում ենք
    ազատություն ազատություն
    ------------------------------------
    -այս քառյակը կրկնում ենք երկու անգամ- որից հետո բոլորս միասին գոռում ենք
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    Լեվոն Լեվոն-2 վարկյան սպասում ենք և կրկնում Լեվոն Լեվոն Լեվոն Լեվոն .
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    նորից 2 վարկյան անց բոլորս միասին
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    Լեվոն նաիւագահ- 2 վարկյան հանգիստ- ՍեռԺիկ հեռացիր-ՍեռԺիկ հեռացիր:
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    ԵրաԺջտությունը կառաջարկեի վերցնել Ալա Պուգաչովայի որևիցե մի երգից:
    Ձեզ հարգող և ձեր մասին մտացող
    Նիկոլ փաջինյան: